We were promised that it would be sorted out before we left. We're two months into the summer and not a word from the Execs, past or present, on this matter. Every additional day that you owe the money to the rightful owners erodes your integrity as a reputable organization and I suggest you sort this out as soon as possible.
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Kelvin Lau
3rd Year BCH
CPES SC Board Member
CPES SC CSA Representative
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Back when I went to CS Games, the department paid for our transportation by train. They owed me ~160 bucks, if memory serves. Not only did it take until August to get my money, but in the interim, they had lost my receipt and I had to send them my bank account as a screen shot. I had to solve all of this from China, since I had been living there for the summer.
To be clear: I'm NOT bitching about the department. I'm also not defending whatever is causing the lateness. I'm just saying shit happens. Regardless of how big or small the "reputable organization" is, shit happens.
Has anyone actually contacted them directly? Part of me feels that this (a public forum) is not the correct venue to be trying to settle personal debts, unless of course, several direct requests in writing have been made.
Consider this analogy: Walmart overcharges you for an item. You call them once, and they agree to reimburse you. Nothing happens for 2+ months. Do you contact them again, or do you post a public complaint on a forum? And why hadn't you contacted them in those 2+ months when nothing happened?
Again, not attacking anyone, since I agree you should be paid back. I'm just not sure this is the correct way to complain.
Well, I completely agree that hearing about this beforehand would of been appreciated and appropriate, but at least now I know that some people are impatient. I had assumed that everyone understood how much extra time would be added to the return date of the 20$ when a request was made for an inquiry from the department into the monetary aspects of CS Games. We received a refund after the semester ended, and since so many students are not even in the city during the summer it only seems reasonable to return it in the fall. A personal inquiry to our treasurer in the fall would not go amiss, until then enjoy your time off.
There, a reply to this rather capricious posting. Really, I think this is all a little over the top. Why not just drop a line to Robyn, Shaun, Eric or I and ask?
Its interesting that you're treating this post as though you're hearing about this issue for the first time. Not only did we contact you in the Spring about this before school ended, if you scroll the the forum threads just by a little, you might notice a similar thread thats months old and have no resolution. On top of that, the department will reimburse socis no problem, and I know for a fact socis has a stash of money in the locker for slush fund or just a simple collection of coins no one has organized. That money could've easily been given out before the semester ended.
At the end of the day, I just want my $20 back. Is that too much to ask?
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Kelvin Lau
2nd Year BAH/CIS
CPES SC Board Member
CPES SC CSA Representative
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Kelvin Lau
2nd Year BAH/CIS
CPES SC Board Member
CPES SC CSA Representative
No it's not, and you're going to get it, and so is everyone else. I haven't been paid back either, but I'm confident that I and everyone else will. So please stop whining on the forums. Once is enough.
And it's unfair to comment on the slush fund when you have no idea what state it is in. The slush fund is an emergency fund, and perhaps it isn't big enough to pay back everyone at once. If so, how are they supposed to decide who gets paid back before everyone else? By who complains the most?
I'm not saying you're not entitled to the money back, and I'm not saying you're not entitled to know why. I'm just saying that you have your answer, so please stop stirring the pot, because all that's good for is just making everyone else upset.
Thanks Randall, but the fight gong won't really be necessary.
I have nothing against Josh, or any of the individual of SOCIS personally. In fact, I like every member individually. I am saddened by the fact that this issue seems personal to them though even though I have no problems with the individual but instead, the institution. On the flip side of course, I am taking this personally because I represent no institution or group. Just myself and my lack of promised reimbursement.
Also I would like to ask: Were we late in submitting the deposit? I believe most if not all of the participants submitted their deposits on time. So why is then that SOCIS seems so rightly justified that money should be submitted on time but the reimbursement that was promised is slow to process and riddled with excuses? If a bank or credit card company told me they will reimburse me, I don't want it two or three months from now, I want it on time as promised. I think that if there is a promise given, then that promise should be kept. If it is not kept then I feel that myself and others have the right to be upset.
I say again, then. I would like my reimbursement.
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Kelvin Lau
3rd Year B.Comp Honours
I'll be the first to admit we could have handled things better on a number of occasions, not just this particular issue. The same could be said of most executives, students or otherwise. Regardless, my term is over, and new exec are in. This includes a new treasurer, which I rather think affects this issue directly. Give them a chance to get on their feet before you go knocking them down; some haven't even had their first general meeting as execs yet. The transition takes time, and infuriating though it might be, fresh faces afford room for improvement.
-SB
We were promised that it
We were promised that it would be sorted out before we left. We're two months into the summer and not a word from the Execs, past or present, on this matter. Every additional day that you owe the money to the rightful owners erodes your integrity as a reputable organization and I suggest you sort this out as soon as possible.
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Kelvin Lau
3rd Year BCH
CPES SC Board Member
CPES SC CSA Representative
My own experience
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Back when I went to CS Games, the department paid for our transportation by train. They owed me ~160 bucks, if memory serves. Not only did it take until August to get my money, but in the interim, they had lost my receipt and I had to send them my bank account as a screen shot. I had to solve all of this from China, since I had been living there for the summer.
To be clear: I'm NOT bitching about the department. I'm also not defending whatever is causing the lateness. I'm just saying shit happens. Regardless of how big or small the "reputable organization" is, shit happens.
Has anyone actually contacted them directly? Part of me feels that this (a public forum) is not the correct venue to be trying to settle personal debts, unless of course, several direct requests in writing have been made.
Consider this analogy: Walmart overcharges you for an item. You call them once, and they agree to reimburse you. Nothing happens for 2+ months. Do you contact them again, or do you post a public complaint on a forum? And why hadn't you contacted them in those 2+ months when nothing happened?
Again, not attacking anyone, since I agree you should be paid back. I'm just not sure this is the correct way to complain.
Well, I completely agree
Well, I completely agree that hearing about this beforehand would of been appreciated and appropriate, but at least now I know that some people are impatient. I had assumed that everyone understood how much extra time would be added to the return date of the 20$ when a request was made for an inquiry from the department into the monetary aspects of CS Games. We received a refund after the semester ended, and since so many students are not even in the city during the summer it only seems reasonable to return it in the fall. A personal inquiry to our treasurer in the fall would not go amiss, until then enjoy your time off.
There, a reply to this rather capricious posting. Really, I think this is all a little over the top. Why not just drop a line to Robyn, Shaun, Eric or I and ask?
Its interesting that you're
Its interesting that you're treating this post as though you're hearing about this issue for the first time. Not only did we contact you in the Spring about this before school ended, if you scroll the the forum threads just by a little, you might notice a similar thread thats months old and have no resolution. On top of that, the department will reimburse socis no problem, and I know for a fact socis has a stash of money in the locker for slush fund or just a simple collection of coins no one has organized. That money could've easily been given out before the semester ended.
At the end of the day, I just want my $20 back. Is that too much to ask?
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Kelvin Lau
2nd Year BAH/CIS
CPES SC Board Member
CPES SC CSA Representative
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Kelvin Lau
2nd Year BAH/CIS
CPES SC Board Member
CPES SC CSA Representative
No it's not, and you're
No it's not, and you're going to get it, and so is everyone else. I haven't been paid back either, but I'm confident that I and everyone else will. So please stop whining on the forums. Once is enough.
And it's unfair to comment on the slush fund when you have no idea what state it is in. The slush fund is an emergency fund, and perhaps it isn't big enough to pay back everyone at once. If so, how are they supposed to decide who gets paid back before everyone else? By who complains the most?
I'm not saying you're not entitled to the money back, and I'm not saying you're not entitled to know why. I'm just saying that you have your answer, so please stop stirring the pot, because all that's good for is just making everyone else upset.
Mortal Kombat
*Gong*
Fight!
*Theme Music*
(Oh god, here comes a flame war the likes of which have never been seen since the demise of rand486)
Thanks Randall, but the
Thanks Randall, but the fight gong won't really be necessary.
I have nothing against Josh, or any of the individual of SOCIS personally. In fact, I like every member individually. I am saddened by the fact that this issue seems personal to them though even though I have no problems with the individual but instead, the institution. On the flip side of course, I am taking this personally because I represent no institution or group. Just myself and my lack of promised reimbursement.
Also I would like to ask: Were we late in submitting the deposit? I believe most if not all of the participants submitted their deposits on time. So why is then that SOCIS seems so rightly justified that money should be submitted on time but the reimbursement that was promised is slow to process and riddled with excuses? If a bank or credit card company told me they will reimburse me, I don't want it two or three months from now, I want it on time as promised. I think that if there is a promise given, then that promise should be kept. If it is not kept then I feel that myself and others have the right to be upset.
I say again, then. I would like my reimbursement.
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Kelvin Lau
3rd Year B.Comp Honours
As an old exec
I'll be the first to admit we could have handled things better on a number of occasions, not just this particular issue. The same could be said of most executives, students or otherwise. Regardless, my term is over, and new exec are in. This includes a new treasurer, which I rather think affects this issue directly. Give them a chance to get on their feet before you go knocking them down; some haven't even had their first general meeting as execs yet. The transition takes time, and infuriating though it might be, fresh faces afford room for improvement.
-SB